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A bit slow to start off with, but having read some of the responses to a particular character...



One of the main things that has been an issue for so many people who loved the character of Severus Snape, is that as JKR showed us how much Severus loved Lily, Harry's mother, it suddenly transpired that Severus was either not as noble or good as they thought he was or indeed not good at all. For many, it seemed that Severus' motivation had been entirely selfish and that he had not truly seen the error of his Death Eater past, but merely the failure on his part to save the life of Lily Potter.

I will confess that this interpretation left me somewhat befuddled. It has long been agreed within the 'Severus Snape appreciation' communities, that his outer nastiness and mean-spirit disguises a man who is essentially good and brave. What seemed strange to me was that with that interpretation being accepted (as it was, in truth, the only way his behaviour to some of his students and his apparent loyalty to Albus Dumbledore could be reconciled) many of the same people were again only considering the driving force behind his motives that had been explicitly mentioned, rather like those who did not like Severus Snape at all were seen to only be accepting the one-dimensional portrayal of the Potions Master through the then immature eyes of Harry Potter.

As you can no doubt tell, I do not think that Severus' motives make his eventual actions any the less purer, partly because when we hold him in comparison in this respect to other characters who Harry immediately takes a liking to and who are, in a sense, the true white hats of the series, I do not find him wanting. However, I also do not agree that his love of Lily was his sole motivation regardless. To me, his love of Lily acted as the catalyst and almost enabled him to be able to care for others and be a 'good' man.

The comparison, I will focus on later in this post but first I want to examine some of Severus' behaviour throughout the books.

First, it is far easier for us to enter this with no illusions: Overall, Severus Snape is not a nice man. Aside from Draco Malfoy, he has no sympathy for or willingness to appreciate those students whom he does not like. This is evident in his treatment of Harry Potter and then, almost by association, of his friends. However, that pales in comparison to the way he treats some of his other students - his deliberate focus on a student with a thinner skin ie, Neville Longbottom reveals a sadistic streak. He certainly knows how to antagonise and frequently relishes in this power.

Draco Malfoy is the obvious exception. In the early days, when Harry Potter was all about the fun and trials of boarding school and growing up with a dash of magic thrown in for good measure, Severus' treatment of Draco was generally dismissed as merely a student currying favour with a teacher and the biased teacher responding in kind. However, by the end of the sixth book we see another side to this at first stereotypical relationship between a pet student and their teacher. As they take flight from the Lightening-Struck tower, in this time of battle, it is Draco's escape that seems to take priority over Severus' own, and that in itself suggests that Draco is more to Severus than simply a student who toadied up to him throughout his school career or with whom he has special links with his father. It almost seems as though he cares about him.

But let us go back further. It is one of those unfortunate things that the story is told only from Harry's perspective. Not so much because his view clouds our own perceptions (we can analyse our way through that) but because we are only presented with the issues that he deems important. Whilst we readers struggle to discover the agenda of our preferred characters, Harry continues to deviate and allows us no such pleasure. Thus, he does not spend his entire school life following Severus Snape around the school (if only!) and thus we are left with little evidence of what Snape is like around non-Harry/James related persons.

The first thing that struck me was Dumbledore asserting in PS that Severus made those attempts to save Harry's life due to a life debt he had to Harry's father. In light of what we know now, how much truth is there in that statement? Knowing Dumbledore, about a 6:4 ratio, probably (!). Severus is capable of having more than unrequited love as a motivation. There is a sense of Justice as well.

One of the most revealing incidents takes place in the second book, when it has been announced in the Staff room that a student has been taken captive by the Basilisk. Severus' reaction is the first hint we will ever get that he actually seems to care about his students. Liking them is another matter, but as he 'gripped the back of a chair very hard' he reveals himself to have the same concerns of any other teacher.

Although there is little in PoA that demonstrates any care Severus might have towards his charges, it does serve to demonstrate the sore contention between Severus and Harry: that of his relationship with the boy's father. That is interesting to me as it serves as a parallel between him and various other characters which I will explain more fully in the comparison.

It is also interesting to note some of the reactions of his colleagues when they hear of his murder of Albus Dumbledore. Most are still stuck in a sort of limbo - this is a man who they have worked besides after all, who Dumbledore trusted, who may not have been a pleasant man or a nice teacher, but was good enough that we never get any sense of real hatred on the part of the other teachers towards this scowling Professor. It is Professor Slughorn's sad little, "But I knew him," that captures it all. Nice he may not have been, but an evil cold-hearted murderer? His own colleagues have difficulty comprehending this, and that is a rather handy bit of evidence.

All this is very interesting, no doubt, but what of the issue that I am trying to address? Let me return to the point.

Severus' reasons for leaving the Death Eaters is made quite clear: Lord Voldemort refused to protect Lily Potter. Many people have snapped up on this instantly - the man has not seen the error of his ways, he only wants to save Lily, the selfish bastard.

And yet we are shown his reaction to Dumbledore's "you disgust me". He realises in that instant where he has actually gone wrong and I think that is when we can safely say he begins to think about others apart from the object of a failed romance.

I personally think the seeds of realisation sprouted earlier in his life. There is nothing like true recognition to shock one out of one's delusions. Severus was weak and foolish in regards to his friends like Avery, and unsurprisingly in regards to the Dark Lord as well. The Dark Lord refusing the life of Lily must have brought the shock Severus needed. It reminds me very much of the story of a half-Ethiopian, half-German man I used to know who surprised me one day with the fact that he had once been in the Hitler youth. To me, that seemed an astonishing tale from a clearly mixed-race person - surely he had been able to see, of all people, that the Nazi agenda went far beyond the 'Jewish problem'? But no, he said. He wasn't a Jew. He was a proper German. It had never occurred to him that he could be a target and it was only when he saw how the Nazi hate reached out towards non-Jews that he snapped out of his delusion.

The allegory is a little cliched by now, and perhaps has only served to turn what is essentially a fictional story into something more important than it actually is, but it seemed so strangely alike to the Prince's tale that I couldn't help but wondering where so many seemed to think that Severus' motivation being so personal makes his 'conversion' any the less genuine or worthy.

By the time Harry comes along, Severus has spied, been redeemed, worked as a teacher responsible for the well-being of his students. It seems wholly unrealistic to think that these experiences would not have broadened his motivations. That does not mean that the first motivation is any the less powerful, it clearly isn't, but perhaps it's strength lies in the fact that it was the first not the only thing that made Severus go over to the side of good.

But even if his unrequited Love is the only reason he joined Dumbledore's forces, does that make him so bad to have such a selfish motivation? Again, unless we apply the same condemnation to other characters, we will simply have to reevaluate our own picture about Severus.

So many of the adult characters have made terrible decisions and have only 'repented' or tried to solve the problems they have caused, through what could also be deemed as selfish reasons. Sirius, who first comes to my mind, escaped from Azkaban, not so much to support Harry, but to finish off the job he started: revenge for James' sake. The similarities go further: Mrs Weasley's accusation that Sirius too often merges Harry with James is starkly reminiscent of Dumbledore's warning that Snape also allies Harry and James to too great an extent, hindering his judgment of the boy. Like Snape with Lily, Sirius has never had the opportunity to ask Jame's for his forgiveness and goes on fighting, later, yes, for Harry and the cause of good, (but with as little grace as Severus it seems at times) but to begin with in memory of the friend he let down.

Dumbledore too, can be seen as only really snapping out of his own delusions of greatness with the first casualty of his pride: his sister Ariana. In a way, these two cases are the best parallels with that of Severus', particularly when one considers their characters: each can be unpleasant (well, Dumbledore in a more subtle manner - we would call it manipulative) to those they dislike, pleasant to those they do like, but aware of the need to serve the cause of good for more important reasons than personal satisfaction. The unholy trio certainly have their detractors and fans throughout the fandom: nobility seems to be truly in the eye of the beholder.

However, maybe that really is the case, and where some people see selfish desire, I see merely the beginning to the making of a greater man. That is the joy - as well as the chagrin! - of the numerous perspectives within this community of HP fans.
Mood:: 'thoughtful' thoughtful
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posted by [identity profile] lilith-morgana.livejournal.com at 10:26am on 24/07/2007
Oh, I'm so glad you wrote this piece of meta so I don't have to. :) Which means I agree 100%.

Dumbledore too, can be seen as only really snapping out of his own delusions of greatness with the first casualty of his pride: his sister Ariana.

I was thinking about this on my way to work the other day, (almost bursting into tears on the bus because damn, Severus) not understanding why people think the Lily thing cheapens Snape's good deeds. His change of heart is fuelled by Lily, just as Dumbledore's change is fuelled by his sister and just like Harry's determination to fight Voldemort is fuelled by the loss of his parents. Except for Snape and Dumbledore, the fury and the guilt (and strenght) come from their own mistakes.

The circle patterns in DH were beautiful, I thought.
 
posted by [identity profile] mmoa.livejournal.com at 01:50pm on 24/07/2007
*nods* I was surprised by the vehemence of some of the reactions, because I myself was slightly heartened by the fact that it turned out he was good after all and that everyone else knew it, even if he did die... and never met anyone else worthy of his affections (I mean, even Remus got Tonks...). The fact that his change of heart was fuelled by Lily is such a human and lovely, though at the same time sad and tragic (prefer that word to pathetic - I mean, it's literaure, people! You don't go around calling Mr Darcy or Heathcliff pathetic! Bah!) thing that I was actually ok with it, for all that if it were fanfic, I wouldn't have touched it with a kilometre long bargepole.

But, yes, hooray for circle patterns! Made the book a much better read.
 
posted by [identity profile] go-back-chief.livejournal.com at 02:18pm on 24/07/2007
I was thinking about this on my way to work the other day, (almost bursting into tears on the bus because damn, Severus) not understanding why people think the Lily thing cheapens Snape's good deeds.

I'm confused by the same thing, but it's true I felt very similar to the idea of Snape/Lily until very recently. I changed my mind about it, when it occurred to me that they might have been friends, too. I used to think that if Snape/Lily happened, it would be Snape admiring her from afar, never really knowing her, and that idea annoyed me very much, because it seemed too superficial to change him that much. It seemed OOC and unrealistic. If it had happened like that, I guess I might have felt it "cheapened him" and the things he'd done too, but when I think about it, it's not so much that it would have cheapened the good things he'd done -good things are good things regardless- but more the fact that it would have been incredibly corny/cheesy/silly, and really, unrealistic.

However, the fact that they knew each other and were friends really changes things for me. It seemed clear to me that their frienship was deep and as such he must really have loved her. The fact that it wasn't platonic doesn't make much difference to me. But I guess if it makes a difference for others, I can understand that, to an extent. Not the argument that his motives are selfish (because why would it be more or less selfish to change for friends and family members than for people you have romantic feelings for?), but I can understand if they think it's cheesy. Even though I don't think it is.
 
posted by [identity profile] go-back-chief.livejournal.com at 01:45pm on 24/07/2007
I'm not entirely coherent yet, but yeah, agreed so much on all points. The reactions baffle me a little, because a) good things done out of selfish reasons are still good and shouldn't be dismissed and b) I don't really get what people were expecting? Which reasons would have qualified as entirely "unselfish"?
 
posted by [identity profile] mmoa.livejournal.com at 01:56pm on 24/07/2007
Exactly. If it hadn't been Lily, what else could it have been: there must have been something because as we see in DH, Severus is capable of being more than a little deluded when it comes to his friends or those he respects. There must have been something to make him snap out of it and if it wasn't the memory of Lily, well, what would others have it preferred? Ultimately, anything else would be seen as selfish, but, as you said, why does that make the good he did any the less good?
 
posted by [identity profile] shalady.livejournal.com at 02:10pm on 24/07/2007
In Snape's memories, Dumbledore also chides Snape for only seeing what he wanted to see in Harry, namely, James. Also, even after it becomes clear to Snape that avenging Lily, or protecting Harry in her name, Snape continues with the Order's business, and does his most difficult and bravest work.

I think you're right to point out the comparisons to other characters - Lupin, Percy, Ron - they all do some fairly asinine things for rather petty reasons, but we don't question their goodness. Snape may have been unpleasant and a jerk to Harry, but he had reasons to be - personal and professional. How much worse would his job as a spy for Dumbledore been if he had been kind to Harry?
 
posted by [identity profile] mmoa.livejournal.com at 03:51pm on 26/07/2007
Exactly. Considering how little we still know as to what Snape has been doing throughout all seven books, not to mention how much of which was on DD's orders, it's strange how people are so willing to take the easier route and simplify the motivations and actions of a man playing a complex and dangerous game.
 
posted by [identity profile] bluejeanbaby.livejournal.com at 08:42pm on 24/07/2007
Hi,
I never really had a favorite character in the Harry Potter story. I did like Harry Potter, and of course, was on his side but it wasn't until the last book that I realized that my favorite character is Snape. It's the combination of perfectly drawn character and perfectly acted character (Alan Rickman! *swoon*) there's just no one who could have ever done him justice better. Anyway, thanks for writing this. I was feeling alone in my admiration of the character. He just is un apologetically what he is and it's so intense and real.
 
posted by [identity profile] mmoa.livejournal.com at 11:32am on 26/07/2007
You got me at Alan Rickman *joins you in swooning*!
 
posted by [identity profile] cliodna-bright.livejournal.com at 09:36pm on 25/07/2007
I took a real shine to Snape in this book, seeing him now that he is dead. Everyone seems better and kinder than they were after you're gone. And I agree that despite his (many, many) flaws, there is no debate over Snape's bravery, nor that there must have been some changes in his character in the years after Lily's death that motivated him beyond his love for her.

But I would also like to play Devil's advocate here. Hope you don't mind if I present a little counter-argument to a couple of your theories? (I'm posting on your personal journal because I'm not a member of sane_potter yet! ^_^)

I am not sure that Snape really ever took an affection view towards Draco. I think that he might have liked Draco better than Neville or Harry, but I do not think that Snape made many attachments. I would argue that his concern for Draco's safety in fleeing the tower (if you are referring to the end of the sixth book, as I am assuming) has far more to do with the Unbreakable Vow that he made to Narcissa. In sum, by protecting Malfoy he was saving his own life.

And in the Chamber of Secrets, couldn't his reaction to the news that a student was in the chamber be more related to fear that the Dark Lord was behind it than any real concern for his students?
 
posted by [identity profile] mmoa.livejournal.com at 11:18am on 26/07/2007
Unfortunately with the scene from the Chamber of Secrets... it's jus that one line, lol. I wish there had been at least one more scene available for a more thorough analysis, but alas, no. For that reason, yes, his reaction could well be more related to fear of the Dark Lord than concern for his students in general. It can be interpreted either way, which demonstrates the beloved ambiguities of the character!

As for his relationship with Draco Malfoy, because for most of the series, it is such a stereotypical one, again, how much of value that can be interpreted concerning the real nature of their relationship is debatable. I suppose my interpretation owes more to the fact that I think one can care about someone else's well-being without particularly liking them simply because it would be the right thing to do, regardless of one's personal feelings. His concern for Draco's safety, could equally be due to the fact that Dumbledore had implicitly asked him to help care for Draco, as much as the Unbreakable Vow and (and I would say this for the sake of my argument!) any sense of duty (rather than affection) he may feel towards Draco.

PS Devil's advocate is always most welcome!
 
That was awesome! And fun to read. I saved it to my memories.

I also skimmed over the rest of your journal. You seem pretty nifty, so I've added you to my friends list! :D

And I totally agree with you about Snape's motivations. I don't even understand why love is a bad motivator. I mean, the way Dumbledore harps on about it, it sounds like he thinks it's the best THING ever, so why shouldn't it also be the best motivator? I mean, EVERYONE is a little selfish to some extent, not matter how selfless they also are. I think you're right, and when Dumbledore told him that Snape disgusted him, his cogs started turning anyway.
 
If there's one thing DD is good at, it's knowing what gets people going and for Snape, it's that sort of slap-in-your-face bald truth stating. So I can not why some people dislike DD's line of 'you disgust me' because a) Severus was being pretty disgusting and needed to hear it and b)how else would he really see the error of what he had said/done?

Thanks for reading and commenting!

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