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posted by [personal profile] mmoa_writes at 09:10pm on 06/01/2009
Just been glutting on deathtocapslock, so you'll forgive any excessive cruelty. It's a bit like religion - when you've put so much into a fandom, it can be rather hard to leave...



Having been re-reading the HP books in reverse order (because I'm masochistic that way...), it occurred to me that there's something the Author doesn't quite seem to get.

It's odd how what I really used to love about the books, weren't actually in the books at all. I mean, I only knew them because of her (at times self-contradictory) interviews and random 'extras' on the website (good times), but never from anything she'd made explicit (hell, even veiled would have done) reference to in the books.

I rather feel like she doesn't quite get it. You see, outside of the books, these characters aren't actually real. Their heart-rendering backstory never actually happened. I mean, it was great at the time to have all these titbits to make a fan feel all special and stuff, but really, now the phenomenon is waning, it just looks like a cover for some rather lazy writing.

One example concerns Dean Thomas' father. Random, I know, but at the time, I remember feeling all happy that the Author was not doing a 'stereotypical black father abandons his wife and child' thing because (and she said this herself! 'Tis Truth, I swear it, lol) actually, he was one of those working against Lord Voldemort the first time round and in fact left his family for their protection.

Cute huh? It certainly reaffirmed the liberal values I shared with the Author and left me fair marvelling at her imagination, compassion, maturity and unique position in the world of YA (sorry, children's, no sorry, YA...) writing.

Hm.

The problem, looking back at this, is that if you really want to destroy a cultural stereotype in your literary works, shouldn't you, I don't know, actually mention it first?

It's not really her fault, I suppose. I mean, HP had become a phenomenon rather than mere literature, a result of which was that it lifted the onus from the literature itself. I guess.

This is quite important because I suppose the thing with most books is that they don't get turned into a phenomenon. They stay as books, where what is in them is all. I mean, it's illuminating reading Dickens' notes, for example, but you won't find anything of massive importance concerning the story that isn't in the books already. In the same way, the fact that HP got so big, rather encouraged the Author to start using interviews as a repositry for key (to her at least) story points.

And then, following DH, came the outing of Albus Dumbledore. At the time, I really couldn't understand some of the vitirol coming from the HP fandom, particularly the cries of homophobia, and to be honest, I still don't (or at least, not much better), with regards to that criticism. What does bother me now is that it seems more in line with her rather irritating 'oops, I did it again!' style of writing (and also, but this is just the Victorian governess in me, sets a bad precedent to future writers).

I mean, it would be different if the detail is really quite unimportant and you just give it as fodder for the extreme!fans. But if you're trying to be wonderfully deep and mature and groundbreaking... how about writing the wonderfully deep, mature and groundbreaking storyline/character detail in the books to begin with?

Maybe it's because I'm just being a bit mean. I have limited experience as a writer, and what I do have is that of an unpublished, permanently-editing, pretentious hack. But also a slightly obssessive one, who checks to make sure timelines at least vaguely work out, that I don't bog down stories with unnecessay detail, that I will never have to resort to explaining something to a reader that ought to be clear from the 'magnum opus' via other means. Maybe it's because of this that I now see the revelation of what used to be exciting new details, unknown to the uninitiated, as nothing but a ploy for sheer arse laziness.

...

Or maybe because I'm just jealous.
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posted by [identity profile] apiphile.livejournal.com at 10:23pm on 06/01/2009
All there is to envy in Ms. Rowling is her money, and plenty of people are rich.

Most of what I have taken from this post is how badly I think you should dress as Mary Poppins at some point in the future. :D
 
posted by [identity profile] mmoa.livejournal.com at 01:27am on 07/01/2009
I already have the umbrella. Now all I need is that awesome fitted longcoat and a cane!

*swishes*
 
posted by [identity profile] apiphile.livejournal.com at 04:53am on 07/01/2009
And a carpet bag with which to bludgeon Dick Van Dyke to death. :D
 
posted by [identity profile] glowering.livejournal.com at 09:10pm on 07/01/2009
 
posted by [identity profile] apiphile.livejournal.com at 09:11pm on 07/01/2009

<3



SO SEVERE.
 
posted by [identity profile] glowering.livejournal.com at 09:12pm on 07/01/2009
It's actually as Miss Prism, but I see that as being close enough.
 
posted by [identity profile] mmoa.livejournal.com at 09:16pm on 07/01/2009
OMFG! That's like ancient history. Man we were so cool back then.

And the outfit looks better than I remember. I ought to go steampunk more often.
 
posted by [identity profile] ptyx.livejournal.com at 12:34am on 07/01/2009
Agreed!
 
posted by [identity profile] mmoa.livejournal.com at 01:30am on 07/01/2009
Your icon suitably expresses our pain!

After all, we actually read these books. I couldn't count the number of theory sites I went onto. I read Red Hen essays and wrote tonnes of bad fanfic. It was great!

But now I am old and jaded, and I can't help but get a little regretful. Part of me hopes she'll write some more books in the WW, if only to make up for it, but I doubt she will and if she does, I doubt it'll be any good.
 
posted by [identity profile] ptyx.livejournal.com at 08:38am on 07/01/2009
Oh, I have totally given up on JKR. I haven't even thought of buying Beedle the Bard, for instance.
 
posted by [identity profile] indongcho.livejournal.com at 10:51pm on 07/01/2009
Oh, I gave up on Rowling ages ago...I still read the rants that a few of my friends post, and I'll read good fanfiction when it comes my way, though.

My problem with the way she outed Dumbledore was this- it did have place in the book. After all, there was a freaking book in the book about Dumbledore's mistakes and past. And the thought of Rita Skeeter not uncovering his grand love affair with a Dark Lord is rather ridiculous.

And overall...she started out writing children's fantasy with fluffy, cutesy names and the nasty villainess caretakers. When she tried to make it epic fantasy I think it fell apart. Then you're expected to take things seriously, and have to wonder why no one has noticed that the Dursleys have abused Harry to the point where he should be a complete mess in magic and mind. Especially since Rowling introduced Ariana Dumbledore who went mad and suppressed her magic from just one incident of abusive treatment because of being magical. That Dumbledore knew about how the Dursleys treated Harry and never interfered says very nasty things about him.

Which is basically why I prefer the fanfiction I read- those authors take the dark and epic aspects that Rowling aspired to and really flew with them. The Sacrifices Arc, for instance, is HP fanfiction, and it's my favorite fantasy series of all.


It's nice to meet you! Do you mind if I friend you back?
 
posted by [identity profile] mmoa.livejournal.com at 11:57am on 08/01/2009
Not at all, the more the merrier!

I think the main problem with the series is JKR's ambitions for it. I remember reading a quote from her that she wanted to write a 'childrens' series that actually got more mature, more YA, as the protagonists got older. Kudos to her for attempting it, but the problem with this first attempt is that if the books become more mature, you are in facto expecting the reader to become more mature and as a result, that means the anteceding books must also hold up to a more mature read.

But they don't - each book may well be more mature than the previous one, but instead of broadening one's understanding of the previous book/s, it just shows up inconsistencies (not only in plot, which is almost secondary, but in world-building and characterisations). That was, to me anyway, the real problem and why I don't really think the series will last as a classic. Perhaps the first three or so books, but not really as a series.
 
posted by [identity profile] hrafn-skald.livejournal.com at 05:10pm on 12/01/2009
IMO, (no, I'm not humble :) every author has this to a certain degree. You first find a book, you're neutral, then you reach a point where you really care about how it turns out, you start to appreciate the style of writing, etc. (this is with good books). After a certain amount of time and rereadings, the quirks of the author start to annoy you.

Some examples: Piers Anthony-cool, fun to read, firmly YA books, but he's obsessed with bringing up, and then dancing around, the subject of sex.

George R R Martin-Great historical epics that come out every ten years or so, but you need a freakin' index to figure out if Nicknames A, B, and C, belong to Character F or G, and who is talking right now.

Orson Scott Card-Real deep exploration of the human psyche, redemption, etc., but he thinks the purpose of life is reproducing as much as possible.

Every author who is good will grab your attention, wow you, annoy you, until you reach a point where you know what you think about them.

Just MO, of course. Rambling musing and all...

-Hraffy
 
posted by [identity profile] mmoa.livejournal.com at 09:08pm on 12/01/2009
I loled at the George Martin reference - I haven't even read the guy yet, but everyone I know (even his fans!) says that exact same thing about him.

I'm sure JKR will become a better writer given the chance - it's not as if she's absolutely awful. But yes, it's a little like the stages of grief when it comes to fantasy/sci-fi writers especially (something about the nature of the fandom, I suppose).

Thanks for commenting, btw - it's certainly been a while!

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