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Abortion is a funny thing... even funnier than God. At least when we talk about God, there is always a point when all sides can bow out and appreciate one another's point of view. Even fanatics, once you know how to talk to them.

You see, it's interesting the assumptions of the average pro-life candidate. Mostly because of the fact that by labelling themselves pro-life, they make out that everyone else is pro-death, but that's another rant... no, just that they assume that anyone who even admits that people do need some privacy in their life especially when it's to do with something so involved, is an unfeeling, cold-hearted, cruel and horrible individual whose main concern is keeping the population down.

As you can tell, I have just come fresh from a debate. I have been accused of being a weak, spineless individual mainly because I decided to be honest: I have an adamant dislike of abortion, but I wouldn't go about trying to make it illegal, because I know that wouldn't work. I would do (well, am doing, I suppose) something or a more permanent, subtle nature. Communication, persuasion. Or, depending on the person involved, slap them and tell them to get over themselves.

But only in the rarest of circumstances.

Is that hypocrisy?

Which brings me onto another point: I hate that word, hypocrisy. Too many people have latched onto it and keep on using it most inappropriately. Much like Logic, now that I come to think about it. Those two words are the bane of my life, really. Any time I am involved in any sort of debate and someone decides to throw those two in, it makes me want to throw up my arms in frustration. Once those two are mentioned, the debate is effectively over.

Since when did pragmatism become hypocrisy or even worse, spinelessness, a symptom of a mind unable to make up it's own opinion, a personality trying to please both sides? In any other debate, such a stance would have earned some interesting comments, maybe a laugh or two, but not the hostility within the abortion ranks. I am not saying that I expect one type of (perhaps lesser) behaviour from me and everyone else to behave to the highest moral standards. I am simply saying that campaigning for abortion to be illegal, is no more going to change attitudes or opinions than making outbursts of racist hatred illegal. So you may do that, if that is what your heart tells you, but why that should make you better than someone who shares the same 'values' as you do, but intends to go about them in a different (and to their eyes no less legitimate) way, lower than you in terms of ability to formulate and hold their own opinions... hm. Frankly I'm not impressed. I pity the aborted fetus' if this is the best defence such people can afford them.



Onto something else now. Did anyone else watch Riot at the Rite on Saturday? (BBC) I hope no one had, actually, because whenever I see something that really touches me, and I try to share my thoughts with others, it becomes polluted, if you know what I mean. For instance, 'The Secret History' by Donna Tartt was one of my favourite books until I came across other people who had read it and liked it. No matter. It (Riot at the Rite, I mean) was a lovely piece of television about the 'Rite of Spring' and the infamous riot that took place at it's first performance. The acting was excellent, and Adam Garcia was amazing as Vaslav Nijinsky.

Ah, Nijinsky... Tragedy, but such makes History.



And the funniest thing happened to me. Someone decided to ask me if I was 'happy' and do you know, it took me such a long time to answer that question that I just muttered some rubbish about being content. It's a bit like when people ask you if you believe in God. What on earth does it mean [to be happy, but I suppose I may as well throw God in as well...]?

Just rather odd, I thought.
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There are 6 comments on this entry. (Reply.)
 
posted by [identity profile] jeebus-uc.livejournal.com at 07:33am on 15/03/2006
You know, I vaguely know what it feels like when you can properly answer 'yes' to that question. And it's odd. Because even then... well, there are always bits that aren't happy, aren't there? But I suppose it just means, are you at a point in your life when the good outweighs the bad?

But then... that all just depends on your perspective, and you could say for all of us that since we're not dying of cancer or something similar, the good really does outweigh the bad.

So... in closing: fuck knows. But it's possible?
 
posted by [identity profile] glowering.livejournal.com at 10:57pm on 16/03/2006
Oh Spooms. Eloquent as ever, I see.
 
posted by [identity profile] go-back-chief.livejournal.com at 02:23pm on 15/03/2006
There are many things I could reply to this post, but having worked more or less 24 hours, I feel that my brain has taken a bit of vacation, again.

However, I hear you on the abortion-issue. The "pro-life" side is incredibly annoying (and what's wrong with calling yourself "anti-abortion", instead? I mean, I get why the pro-choice side doesn't want to call itself "pro-abortion", because that would sound like "yeah, abortion is the coolest and everyone should have it!", but to call one-self "pro-life" instead of "anti-abortion", just seems like a cheap way to manipulate people to join their side), but the "pro-choice" side can be inbcredibly touchy, as well, I've found.

For instance, I remember a discussion with some fellow students, where I said "yes, abortion should definitely be legal, but people shouldn't take it too lightly", or something like that, and this girl jumped on my throat and claimed that that was just the coward's way to voice their "pro-life" opinions. O.o Er, no, I really don't think abortion should be made illegal, and I wouldn't jugde anyone who had one, since I can't possibly know all their circumstances, but I still feel that if there are ways that we can diminish the total of abortions (like, by education of contraceptions, as well as making it easier financially and socially for people to be single mothers), then it would be very good if we could do just that. I also see a tendency from pro-choice people to not even acknowledge that a fetus is living -yes it can't live independantly of the mother, and yes, it's a very simple life-form, maybe on the same level as a bug or something, but it's still life, and not just a part of a woman's body. But say that to people who define themselves "pro-choice" and you might as well have said that God condemns abortion, and we're all going to hell, if we donät stop them.

And I won't even begin with the insanity of "pro-life" side, because damn, couldn't they use all their wasted efforts at spreading hatred (you wonder how the ones who think it's the morally right thing to do, to injure and in worst case kill people who work on abortion-clinics, in order to protect fetuses, can possibly have the nerve to label themselves "pro-life"), to campaign for financial aid for low-income parents, or something, instead?
 
posted by [identity profile] jeebus-uc.livejournal.com at 06:11pm on 15/03/2006
Well yes, the 'pro-life' name is of course designed to manipulate, as are the pictures of dead babies on placards.

Though manipulate is a strong word, perhaps convince would be better.
 
posted by [identity profile] mmoa.livejournal.com at 10:14pm on 15/03/2006
No, no: manipulate is the exact word to use, in this case. I think that's why so many pro-choicers end up sounding cold and callous - simply because they are seen (even on a subconscious level) as pro-death.
 
posted by [identity profile] mmoa.livejournal.com at 10:24pm on 15/03/2006
Preach!

Do you know what's ironic? That's exactly what I was saying: our energies could be spent improving conditions in foster homes, helping single parents, shaking society so that it really does become tolerant of people, lol. It just goes to show, doesn't it?

And I heart you on the pro-choice groups. I guess it doesn't help that they're up against pro-life, rather than anti-abortion groups, but even so... scientifically speaking, yes it is still life, just accept that: you may as well be honest about it.

It's just so strange.

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