posted by
mmoa_writes at 11:49pm on 20/05/2006 under modern greece ancient greece hypocrisy
...of all things.
Personally, the best I can remember for a while. As usual, it was the predictable voting and the supercilious joy in the petty fact that at least we got more points than France that provided most of the laughs. Not to mention Terry Wogan's delightful commentary ( 'This song brings suspenders to an entirely new level', on the Armenian joke - whoops, song. Make way, make way for the sarcasm King..!). There was the hillarious gaffe made by the presenter of the Polish vote and the Ukraine presenter was actually called Igor... Isn't that brilliant? No? Fine... Well, Finland won with Hard Rock Hallelujah which our entire household proceeded to air guitar/drum/synth/snarl along to.
Of course, however, this being me, there was something else that particularly struck me and that was more to do with the host country, Greece.
You see, throughout the event, they made a huge thing of their ancient heritage. During one break, they started showing images of the athletes, quotes from Plato, Aristotle... Pythagoras' theorem (which was, oddly enough, finally proven by an Englishman of all things...), references to their historians of yore, Aristophanes, Thucydides...
During the voting session, for example, they (tied in with the whole theme, I suppose) they celebrated 4000 years (yes, 4000, and be careful with those zeros!) of Greek music and started off with a song dedicated to Dionysus - which was beautiful, humbling and utterly stunning - and then continued down the years (Graeco-Roman to Byzantine, to that odd, folk music that speeds up rather amusingly as it progresses then to a 'My Big Fat Greek Wedding' style reception dance) in a sort of bizarre remix style progression. It actually turned out alright.
But this is what I began to see...
... that as much as they do love their ancient culture and their proud lineage, they really don't seem to like it on the less carnal level. Basically, if it's too deep (and let's face it, how many modern Greeks care that much about Plato's Republic?) then it's out.
Take, for instance, the attitude of today's religious authorities in Greece on the subject of an increasing number of Hellenic/Hellenistic pagans in Greece who are asking for, amongst other things, acknolwedgement of their existence - always a good place to start. Maybe I am being naive, but the response was puerile at best. They dismissed them on the grounds that it was (to quote) merely a case of ' a few mavericks trying to resurrect the old, dark ways.'
Now, hold on.
These are the self same people who you are so proud of, who gave the world philosophy, the first joke with a punchline (which we've conveniently lost, but we do have the set up), the water screw, that damn theorem (spoken like a true Maths student...) who you also claim to have been in thrall to the 'old dark ways'
And what's more (...), this is the same, dark culture immersed in the old, dark ways, who had a lasting and (I feel) hugely positive effect on Christian theology (which, on reading through its history, could have been oh so much worse, if not for that).
The hypocrisy staggers.
In a way, it's a lot like the way the Irish love to celebrate James Joyce, ignoring the fact that he was far less than impressed with Ireland and his people. Or the way a Nigerian Pentecostal will bang on about Wole Soyinka or Chinua Achebe.
Dang.
Cultural memory is a terrible thing.
Personally, the best I can remember for a while. As usual, it was the predictable voting and the supercilious joy in the petty fact that at least we got more points than France that provided most of the laughs. Not to mention Terry Wogan's delightful commentary ( 'This song brings suspenders to an entirely new level', on the Armenian joke - whoops, song. Make way, make way for the sarcasm King..!). There was the hillarious gaffe made by the presenter of the Polish vote and the Ukraine presenter was actually called Igor... Isn't that brilliant? No? Fine... Well, Finland won with Hard Rock Hallelujah which our entire household proceeded to air guitar/drum/synth/snarl along to.
Of course, however, this being me, there was something else that particularly struck me and that was more to do with the host country, Greece.
You see, throughout the event, they made a huge thing of their ancient heritage. During one break, they started showing images of the athletes, quotes from Plato, Aristotle... Pythagoras' theorem (which was, oddly enough, finally proven by an Englishman of all things...), references to their historians of yore, Aristophanes, Thucydides...
During the voting session, for example, they (tied in with the whole theme, I suppose) they celebrated 4000 years (yes, 4000, and be careful with those zeros!) of Greek music and started off with a song dedicated to Dionysus - which was beautiful, humbling and utterly stunning - and then continued down the years (Graeco-Roman to Byzantine, to that odd, folk music that speeds up rather amusingly as it progresses then to a 'My Big Fat Greek Wedding' style reception dance) in a sort of bizarre remix style progression. It actually turned out alright.
But this is what I began to see...
... that as much as they do love their ancient culture and their proud lineage, they really don't seem to like it on the less carnal level. Basically, if it's too deep (and let's face it, how many modern Greeks care that much about Plato's Republic?) then it's out.
Take, for instance, the attitude of today's religious authorities in Greece on the subject of an increasing number of Hellenic/Hellenistic pagans in Greece who are asking for, amongst other things, acknolwedgement of their existence - always a good place to start. Maybe I am being naive, but the response was puerile at best. They dismissed them on the grounds that it was (to quote) merely a case of ' a few mavericks trying to resurrect the old, dark ways.'
Now, hold on.
These are the self same people who you are so proud of, who gave the world philosophy, the first joke with a punchline (which we've conveniently lost, but we do have the set up), the water screw, that damn theorem (spoken like a true Maths student...) who you also claim to have been in thrall to the 'old dark ways'
And what's more (...), this is the same, dark culture immersed in the old, dark ways, who had a lasting and (I feel) hugely positive effect on Christian theology (which, on reading through its history, could have been oh so much worse, if not for that).
The hypocrisy staggers.
In a way, it's a lot like the way the Irish love to celebrate James Joyce, ignoring the fact that he was far less than impressed with Ireland and his people. Or the way a Nigerian Pentecostal will bang on about Wole Soyinka or Chinua Achebe.
Dang.
Cultural memory is a terrible thing.
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This is an interesting topic, but I'm not sure exactly what you mean? I mean, how exactly would you propose that they -or any culture really- embrace their cultural heritage? I do have the impression that Greeks learn quite a bit about their own history, because young Greeks here, tend to go to a school on Saturdays, and I always thought they learned both ancient Greek and history there, but I might be wrong.
They dismissed them on the grounds that it was (to quote) merely a case of ' a few mavericks trying to resurrect the old, dark ways.'
It's weird that he calls it the "old dark ages", but at the same time, I don't think you have to want to "go back to the way it was", in order to embrace and be proud of your history?
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That was where my first point stemmed from. I don't quite know how to explain it, but there is something cloying about the fact that one can praise certain aspects of one's history and then ignore or disparage the other parts that weren't that bad either (I can understand an Italian wanting to gloss over the ampitheatres, but it would be sad if they did the same to the Stoics, for instance). As I go on to say, it isn't just the Greeks at all - I think it's a lot to do with our modern approach to History and our cultural heritage full stop.
On a more trivial note, don't you just heart Terry Wogan?
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And man, I had to look up who Terry Wogan was, and now I'm quite jealous, because he seems really funny. Unfortunately, the Swedish commentators tend to be boring, they take the whole thing so damn seriously. If you want snarky comments, you have to make them yourself.
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PS I would say that the very desire for historians and religous thinkers to criticise the people who revive and celebrate their cultural heritage is in keeping with the cultural heritage of everycountry in existance. I tis historically -and culturally- correct for us to penalise and snub these people so that later on they will be seen as brtave revolutionists, innovatists, martyrs and the like. Then the culture will progress.
Thank you, goodnight
PpS Revision is dry, I would fail my aLEVEL in happiness.
love
Athene
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Just kidding. That was wonderfully erudite and wise and I agree but am too depressed over my Maths exams to make any further comment. But I will say this:
Wibble-wibble-wop-foo-wip-foo-yibble-yibble-foo!
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"we are the vinners, of eurovision,
WE ARE, WE ARE! WE ARE, WE ARE!"
hehe... they said vinners. love it. they had such fantastic accents. but bloody europe didn't get the joke! WE did! we gave them 10 points! and Ireland gave them 12! see! WE all have a sense of humour on our wet little islands of ours! unlike the people there who booed them. BOOED THEM?! they were BRILLIANT!
bah! i guess i'm just too used to good humour that i get so annoyed when people totally misunderstand obvious jokes.
i also liked the men with the puppet... although it took them about 3 blokes to sing before they all finally got in to the right key... aww.
xxx
p.s. TERRY WOGAN RULES! woot!
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