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posted by [personal profile] mmoa_writes at 11:26pm on 30/10/2006 under , ,
Watching Starkey's last word and the first debate is excellent but I thought something that was brought up to be very interesting.

It's true that for all Britain is becoming a more and more secular nation, the new authority that is lent to faith leaders and what they have to say is rather... odd. Not so much wrong, because they don't really have anything useful to say to the average Briton, and even if they did, no one would take too much notice, apart from the unargumentative faithful, but just a little bit odd.

I'm not too worried though. Thanks to certain persons who I mention far too much, this is really down to typical British leniancy. Even the problem we face due to Muslim extremists hiding in our Yorkshire streets is something of a storm in a teacup. Seriously, attend any Science lecture held for pre-university students and you will see that around 60-64% of the students are the new wave of Humanist Muslims that is prevalent, much like the Secularised Christians of a decade or two ago.

And yet, and yet...

Well, I've spoken enough about such things for now. Now for another nursery rhyme.

There was a jolly miller once,
Lived on the river Dee;
He worked and sang from morn till night,
No lark more blithe than he.
And this the burden of his song
Forever used to be,
I care for nobody, no! not I,
If nobody cares for me
Mood:: 'cheerful' cheerful
There are 5 comments on this entry. (Reply.)
 
posted by [identity profile] jeebus-uc.livejournal.com at 07:29am on 31/10/2006
I recognise that... did Mr Goldsmith go on about it in Cheltenham?
 
posted by [identity profile] mmoa.livejournal.com at 11:07pm on 02/11/2006
I think so, actually...
 
posted by [identity profile] alagbon.livejournal.com at 03:41pm on 31/10/2006
So what's this about Humanist Muslims? Here in Yankeestan all we ever hear about is the extremists, and some particularly ignorant American conservatives have somehow gotten the damnfool idea that Britain and Europe have somehow been overrun by hordes of wild-eyed Islamic fanatics who plan to impose Sharia on a continent made soft by decades of secularism and the Welfare State. (Unfortunately, I'm not exaggerating much.)
But yeah, tell me more about these Humanist Muslims if you don't mind.
 
posted by [identity profile] mmoa.livejournal.com at 11:07pm on 02/11/2006
To be honest, it's hard to explain outside the context of British society, but so what, I'll do my best.

Mostly, they're intelligent, young, second-generation (if not third) immigrants, politically and indeed religiously liberal (a very laissez-faire attitude to our apparently decadent western society - of which they seem to have a good deal of appreciation for, oddly enough...) and mainly male. And they are always at science lectures. Always. And they are the ones to ask the lecturer intelligent questions, the ones taking down notes... It's come to the point where I think I know one or two by sight now!

Their faith, I've noticed, is not so much the core of their being, but an inspiring backdrop to the play of their lives. It's a far cry from their counterparts who would willingly kill hundreds of 'sinful Westerners.' I believe they are the stronger, because, even if their siblings and parents are leaning towards radicalisation, they offer a more compelling and wholesome alternative.

As for a welfare state making them soft, well, I hear plenty of that being said here as well, but that's silly. Immigrants are the last people in any country to go 'soft' no matter how much you fling at them, because they have a certain attitude towards it, knowing that it's basically charity (and I say this as a second generation immigrant myself).

To finish my rant, the ones going 'soft' are the ones who go around smashing public property, truanting, and vomiting on the streets, not the ones trying to memorise certain passages of their Holy Book, in order to find justification for suicide bombing. The former deserve sympathy (and a decent educational and social welfare system) and the latter caution because they're the hardest of the lot.

And now I've left the topic of Humanist Muslims altogether. Sorry!

EDIT: And I call them Humanist Muslims, but they don't have a media-approved label as of yet. That's just my nickname for them. I really ought to shorten it to something easier like Humimuslims...
 
posted by [identity profile] alagbon.livejournal.com at 03:33am on 03/11/2006
OK, so they're like my friend Bilal. Excellent.

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