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posted by [personal profile] mmoa_writes at 12:32am on 15/04/2007


"I'm really bothered by the fundamentalist Christian movement that talks so much about the 'end times.' My daughter-in-law admits to being a fundamentalist Christian, and my husband and I get into some discussions with her from time to time. I'm wondering about your views on the book of Revelation, since I haven't heard you mention it. Do you have any reading suggestions about Revelation?"

Marilyn's husband adds:

"I recently reviewed the Book of Revelation, which I hadn't read for some time. There's been a lot of fuss about end times among evangelical friends and family. It's no wonder, in the 2x2 church in which I grew up, that we didn't spend a lot of time reading this book. I have a question about the 12 tribes mentioned, of which 12,000 each are spared: Are they the original Israel and Judah tribes (which couldn't have all been around when this material was supposed to have been written)?"


Dear Mr. & Mrs. Redel,

I have never written about the Book of Revelation because I do not regard it as worthy of the kind of study that would be required to write about this book. I'm sorry it was included in the canon of the New Testament because it is so dated. It is a piece of apocalyptic literature written under a code developed by late 1st century Christians. Presumably the community that wrote this book and that received it would understand that it was designed to strengthen them to endure a persecution that was probably local, not empire wide, in the last decade of the 1st Christian century. It is a product of the same Johannine School that produced the Gospel of John and the Epistles of John in the New Testament though it is not by the same author. It probably does participate in the idea that the world is coming to an end soon but that was obviously a mistake since we are here now. In early Christianity there was an idea that the second coming of Jesus and the dawning of the Kingdom of God on earth would come in the lifetime of people living then. Paul advances this idea both in I Thessalonians and in I Corinthians. By the end of the 1st century that idea had begun to die out and was replaced by the suggestion that the church must be built for the long term. The book of Acts reflects this new consensus. The book of Revelation reflects a throwback to the earlier attitude and may have been inspired by the current local persecution that was interpreted as the beginning of the cruelty that would accompany the end of the world. In later years, when the supposed date of Jesus' birth was set and time counted from that day forward, end of the world talk has always accompanied the end of a century and was even more pronounced at the end of a millennium.
I have no truck with those who read the Bible this way. Predictions about the end of the world, talk about the "rapture" and "no child left behind" are all so much literal nonsense to me.

I have read the book of Revelation on several occasions. I studied it when I was in seminary, but in no great depth. Today I would rather spend my time on the gospels, Paul, or even the prophets, all of which have enriched my life greatly. I do not see such potential in the book of Revelation.

When one tries to interpret the symbols as Mr. Redel does in his letter, he falls into the trap of assuming that there is some literal truth that needs to be discovered. That is not the case. If all the copies of the book of Revelation were lost tomorrow, I do not believe much of value would disappear. However, it does keep some religious fanatics busy so maybe that is its primary purpose.

Thank you for your letter.

-- John Shelby Spong
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posted by [identity profile] athenethequeen.livejournal.com at 05:12pm on 15/04/2007
Interesting guy, surely there is some use in study of the Book of Revelations, from an academic perspective anyway, becuase it would tell you more about the mindset and ideas of persecuted Christians of the time. How was the pilgrimage and the Easter service? When do you want to meet up? This weekend? And what do you want to do? I'd quite like to see the Surreal exhibition at the V and A but it's just an idea. How are you?
 
posted by [identity profile] mmoa.livejournal.com at 12:07am on 16/04/2007
Indeed, revisionist historians have used the book of Revelation to try to pinpoint the exact culprits for the fire of Rome (they go for Jewish-Christian extremists. When one thinks of the political climate in Judea and that Christian identity as we know it came about some 60, 70 years after Nero, I myself go for the zealots and zealot-ites).
 
posted by [identity profile] mmoa.livejournal.com at 12:37am on 16/04/2007
Well, what about Monday/Tuesday? I'll admit to actually just wanting to talk about 'Topsy-Turvy'...
 
posted by [identity profile] athenethequeen.livejournal.com at 10:37am on 16/04/2007
Annoyingly I can't do Monday or Tuesday as I am having to work all day Monday (today) on english and history, and tuesday I'm on this chemistry all-day thing at Surrey University. Sorry but it'll have to be this weekend if ever.

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